A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

topic posted Thu, March 27, 2008 - 7:45 PM by 
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YES....you will see this post in my various tribes, so if you've seen it in another tribe you're a member of.........Don't Bitch. OKAY! And I say this in jest:-)

This gay dating site is unique in regards, to its approach, for its membership. Here’s the premise of the site, written and originated by the creator of the site:

“Welcome to Dissident Dating”

“Maybe you don't test for HIV or maybe you did and just don't trust the results. Maybe you've learned that AIDS is not caused by HIV, and that tests are inaccurate. Then you can meet like-minded people here, make friends, date, and...well, its up to you! On this site no one posts "status" because negative and positive are proven to be meaningless or at best misleading. Why not live and love!”

My Observation:

With all the fear and pandemonium about dating (these days) a person labeled ‘so-called’ hiv-antibody positive, this site doesn’t ask that you reveal your ‘status’ because the members are dissidents, and have accepted, not to accept, the fear based paradigm of hiv ‘antibodies’ being the cause of aids.

Definition of ‘Antibody’: any of numerous Y-shaped protein molecules produced by B cells as a primary immune defense, each molecule and its clones having a unique binding site that can combine with the complementary site of a foreign antigen, as on a virus or bacterium, thereby disabling the antigen and signaling other immune defenses.

So if you’ve been labeled hiv-antibody positive, or negative, or just don’t know, no one on the dating site will judge you about that. Just be prepared for a vast amount of mind-blowing (and boggling) knowledge from some of the members, you may come to know, on the site.

What I find interesting about the site, is it’s ability, to reach out to people, who, are taking a different stance and approach on dating, loving, meeting someone new, and being with someone who shares their views about the ‘Otherside’ of the hiv paradigm and model. And hey…you just might learn something new, and a thang-or-two, from a member, or so.

This is not a debate, or bitching, or mud-slinging site; that usually happens after you’re in a relationship. It’s a gay DATING site, with a majority of members who are interested in meeting and getting to know others, who question(s) the model we call hiv. Revealing your status (I would assume) – to another member – it entirely up to you and he, if you care to include it in your dialogue, but not required.

The site is new, so it will be a matter of time, when the membership continues to grow.
It is ‘not’ to assume that every member joining -- this site -- are considered as hiv antibody pos, because a lot of people aren’t, because they know enough and don’t believe hiv=aids, to be afraid of being with someone label as pos:
www.dissidentdating.com/index.php

Be open-minded. You may met someone who can change you life for the better. One just never knows, where cupid may strike.
Terry
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  • Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

    Fri, March 28, 2008 - 12:40 AM
    A quarter century into the Plague and this is what we've come to? Nothing more than "who cares, let's fuck?" No wonder the straights despise us. And no wonder the Plague keeps spreading and keeps infecting more and more gays - young and old - who'd rather party and fuck than show some responsibility or caring for others.

    Damn sad. Very sad.

    Madoc
    • Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

      Fri, March 28, 2008 - 2:10 AM
      Yeah Madoc, I kinda know what you mean about the 'straights hating gays, and the plague keeps spreading. Something like the owners of these sites are doing too: www.google.com/search
      Right!? Oh yeah; don't get swept up in the vortex of links on the page --- do come back to the post.

      One thing I find, contradicting about those 'bareback' sites is that, though, all the participants may believe in the hiv paradigm, it doesn't seem to deter their activity, at all. Has anyone contacted the owners of these sites, and express your distaste in the activities thereon also? Or are too many, too busy, watching the show, and fantasizing about engaging in the same activities, themselves.

      Funny though, when a person stands and takes an "alternative' view on things (such is this tribe implies) she or he, is assumed to be stirring the pot on a different 'alternative' view. That is what this tribe is all about -- 'alternative?' Or is it just another typical ‘boy’ seeking hub-bub, regurgitating the same emphasis on gay life, as the “normal” gays do. Help me out because I thought this was an “alternative,” tribe.

      A definition of Alternative: employing or following nontraditional or unconventional ideas, methods, etc.; existing outside the establishment.

      Almost 30 years of the model of hiv is still present, and we’re told that the numbers are climing. Dissidents can’t be accused of this because, look at the declining quality of gay sites that are on the web now; it’s only intent is to stimulate the groan, and excite the libido.

      I've spoken with dissidents who have a different stance on hiv, and want to offer up information that may have been misplaced, left out, and/or overlooked, one thing they can be given credit for is their continued emphasis on health and recovery and helping people get through a life-changing, and blow, to their life, once tested pos. But none (dissident), has gone as far as creating a ‘bareback’ site; though a few, may observe it.

      And you mean to tell me that there's a problem with dissidents, wanting to date and meet up, with their own flavah?

      T
      • Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

        Fri, March 28, 2008 - 8:37 PM
        Alternative is one thing, ignorant is another. Hope they enjoy their slow deaths.
        • Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

          Sat, March 29, 2008 - 4:21 PM
          Ah Paul. A slow death commences, the moment you come out of 'mother's' womb. Even though it's stretched out in years, and decades -- and for others, a century -- it's still a journey we all, can't avoid. And fear of death, brings it on, quicker. Okay.

          Peace,
          T
          • Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

            Sun, March 30, 2008 - 11:44 PM
            Terry,

            No, that is when life actually commences, not when death is but delayed. We live right up until the second we die. How we chose to live is up to us and us alone.

            We can chose to live honorably and responsibly even if that means a bit of self-restraint and consideration for the health of those around is thereby required. Do so is not fearing death. Nor does acting responsibly in terms of not helping spread the Plague does not hasten our death.

            In the meantime, living a life that does not do damage to others, well, that's what allows me, personally, to face myself in the mirror each morning. And to do so without fear.

            Discussing this is difficult. And it is even more difficult to do effectively without it seeming to or actually becoming personal. That is not my intent. I know you not, Terry. Nor you me. You have put forth a notice which has most likely not evoked this sort of response elsewhere. Must be your lucky day here, eh! I also realize that discussing things via this forum and via this medium makes handling such an emotionally charged subject all the more difficult. My words, though they may be strong, are not intended to render personal hurt. Please bear that in mind as you read them.

            One thing I have noticed, and your death tinged response is one illustration of this, is an increasing sense of futility and nihilism within the gay community. The Plague has been with us for over a quarter century. There is still no end to it in sight. The best methods for avoiding infection are to put an artificial, awkward and desensitizing barrier between yourself and your most intimate of partners. Volumes have been written about the psychological effects this can have. It is distancing, it is artificial, it is alienating and it most assuredly _not_ natural. Safe sex is a lousy alternative to doing it "naturally." Always has been and baring some super new advances in sexual technology, always will be.

            Having to put up stuff like this for two decades now, having lost an entire generation of community "elders" that could've helped us through our coming of age, and having to worry about our partner's honesty (is he telling me the truth when he says he's negative or does he just want to get laid. Or does he even actually know his status himself?) is tremendously soul destroying.

            I see it as little wonder that the gay community of today is so bereft of self-responsibility and mutual support. In some aspects, I'm surprised it has managed to hold together as well as it has.

            All of which is a partial explanation of why I react so strongly to anything within the gay community which discourages self-responsibility and which further destroys the trust and sense of community within our community. Barebacking is part of that. Being a "sex radical" or "dissident" is another - at least when it comes to spreading or tolerating such disinformation as the HIV /= AIDS.

            Madoc

            Madoc
      • Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

        Fri, March 28, 2008 - 9:25 PM
        Terry,

        I came out in '82 in DC. Back then, the Plague had yet to take root in Washington. Or so we fooled ourselves into believing. At most, guys thought themselves smart if they avoided tricking with men from New York or San Fran. That was the extent of "being safe."

        I remember the first guy I tricked with who insisted on using a rubber. He was from San Fran and he had just learned about this thing called "safe sex" in which using a rubber would protect you. I laughed. I knew he didn't have "it." I could tell just looking at him. That was the extent of the knowledge back then to.

        Since then I've buried too many of my friends and watched the effects of such mounting loses on other of my friends. When we finally figured out what safe sex was and how best to "play safe," I thought the gay community might have a chance at finally getting ahead of the Plague. I could at least take some comfort in knowing that if all my gay brothers were playing safe then they were taking care of themselves and taking care of me in the process. And so long as I played safe I'd taking care of myself and of them. I drew a lot of strength and confidence in the community knowing we would be taking care of each other.

        Then came the Cocktail. At first it was THE cure. Then it became the means to survival. My life would be much the poorer and bleaker were it not for the Cocktail, as quite a few of my friends owe their continued survival to that protease inhibitor mix. But the gay community went beyond that. The Cocktail meant you no longer had to bother playing safe since the Cocktail would keep you alive no matter what and if you got infected then the whole world bent your way. You could then get a magnificent body thanks to legal steroids and HGH and then go fuck your brains out down in South Beach. This, with cash to spare since you were on 100% disability and had cashed in your life insurance policies.

        Safe sex? Who cares! Let's party! And if you wound up infecting some other guy as a result, well, that was his fault for not asking you first or not insisting on the rubber or what difference does it make anyway since he could go on the Cocktail to! Instead of responsibility, self-respect and brotherhood I've seen the community destroy itself with self-centered apathy and nihilistic hedonism.

        Hand in hand with this are all the barebacking sites with their celebration of spreading the Plague amongst each other. This, without a care in the world about developing cross-strain drug resistant forms of the virus. Thus, making the Plague even worse. At the same time has come even more of this talk about how "HIV doesn't cause AIDS." I see you're sold on that lie so it's difficult for me to express how much that sort of willful misinformation hurts even just to type it out. Let alone to see people adopting behaviors based on that lie which puts not just themselves at risk - but everyone else they touch as well.

        Back in the 80's the gay community got a measure of respect for how it drew together and took care of its own. The Plague was not our fault and the Establishment was slow or hostile in helping us. So, we had no other choice. But that coming together, to many a straight folk, was pretty impressive and said much about our calls for their full acceptance of us as being valid ones. We were showing that we could be responsible members of society and not just a bunch of self-destructive freaks.

        What now?

        The gay community has embraced barebacking as being the ultimate in personal sexual expression. HIV/AIDS is just a ticket to a second childhood's worth of partying. And if you wind up infecting others with the disease? So what! That just means they get to party to.

        And that dating site is celebrating all of that.

        No thanks.

        Madoc
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          Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

          Fri, March 28, 2008 - 9:49 PM
          Ok... Terry posted this in my Notorious G.I.B tribe...and there was a tad heat from a member who is HIV positive.

          Against all my wishes to be Open.. I had to close because some name calling happened and my Tribe about indie rock music and film...lightly touching on other issues..can't hold that type of fire. Here... i guess it can


          So i will discuss my reaction here in a forum wider than the gay indie scope. I think it's evident that providing outlets for people to be ignorant of their HIV status is not really celebrated. It exist though.

          I would like to be Honest and say... even i enjoy a Treasure island Porn here and then... but would I want to put myself in that predicament because of not wanting to my status...or wanting to ignore that AIDS kills...and almost everyone i've known with HIV ended up with AIDS and Died and I've never heard of anyone straight having AIDS and the reason why people progress to AIDS would be from having HIV...and In the real world these are the paterns.

          as for those who want to engage in repeated unsafe sex practices... that where i can't be judgemental outside of my own ideas about how i choose to interact sexually with gay men in a world where HIV exist. I wish i wouldnt have had the experience where i got so fucking blasted one night i fucked a guy without a condom TWICE cumming in him in a park.

          To this day I'm Neg... but the fear looms it has not shown up in my blood work yet. I live with that TODAY. and I have Two family members and uncle and an aunt who are POZ. I know...and am close with now 12 people who I interact either daily or at least weekly who are Positive. I cringe when i think about getting so blasted Drunk and High on coke one night i ventured into Delores park and fucked a guy.

          No condom.

          My cock was shitty the next morning.

          This being 14 months ago exactly.


          I cringe...and Me becoming POZ would be a direct slap in the face of ALL who got it and didn't mean to. I knew better.


          so the idea of a dating sight with the strong possibility of becoming a sight for chasers and those who want to be ignorant worries me.
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          Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

          Fri, March 28, 2008 - 9:51 PM
          >>The gay community has embraced barebacking as being the ultimate in personal sexual expression. HIV/AIDS is just a ticket to a second childhood's worth of partying. And if you wind up infecting others with the disease? So what! That just means they get to party to. <<


          Yeah it feels like it...doesn't it.
  • Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

    Sat, March 29, 2008 - 9:22 AM
    the most dangerous lie the devil ever told, was that he didn't exist........

    I'm not christian(but I like that thought about the devil), a bug chaser or a denialist. I bet they also have a web site for those who believe the Holocost never happened.
    • Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

      Sat, March 29, 2008 - 9:45 AM
      and another thing..........why are we always talking about bareback and AIDS??!?!?!

      What about all the other nasties that we can get. Remember anal sex is a dirty (as in bacterially) activity. Fecal bacteria, Sexually transmitted diseases, parasites (imagine how a hookworm might look like stuck to your willy) are all possibilities.

      I'm not suggesting avoid anal sex altogether, or am I even trying to start a debate about anal sex, I just believe that you should use a condom if your going up the hershy highway, because AIDS/NO AIDS, it is risky, and I find that whenever we discuss bareback, AIDS is the topic that is regularly associated with it.

      So whether you belive AIDS exsists as presented or not, it is bad news. It bothers me more to think of how much penicillin is being used to fight chlamydia, gonorrhea, fecal infections and the like, because of barebacking. The more we use penicillin the stronger the bugs get. So be responsible and DON'T BE SILLY, WRAP YOUR WILLY!!
      • Re: A New Gay Dating Site……with a twist

        Sat, March 29, 2008 - 4:04 PM
        >>>>>>It bothers me more to think of how much penicillin is being used to fight chlamydia, gonorrhea, fecal infections and the like, because of barebacking. The more we use penicillin the stronger the bugs get. So be responsible and DON'T BE SILLY, WRAP YOUR WILLY!! <<<<<<

        I strongly, strongly, strongly, agree. Unless it (barebacking) is with someone you love, know, partnered with, will see again, and have -- at least -- an intimate relationship with; cool, bareback. You know the person, and will communicate with him (or her) again. And if you know you're going to see the person again, and have 'fun', why don't you both agree to get tested, and treated for STD. That way, you can enjoy a fun and pleasing sex, as 'uncovered' as you like.

        Sure people take risk, when they seek their suitor, say; at a bathhouse, or park, or public bathroom, or in the back of a 'backroom' in a bar, or where ever. I mean, all are adults, making adult decisions. It's your thang. Do what ya wanna do.

        I can't stress the importance of the gay community getting tested for STD's first and foremost. Especially when it's treatable. And the possibility of the hiv test, coming up pos (cross reacting), if the person, has an undiagnosed STD. I still can't wrap it around my mind why, a person, doesn't take the journey to an STD clinic (at least 3-4 times a year, and are sexually active) to get their backdoor, and measuring stick, checked.

        T

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