The death of alternative

topic posted Mon, March 19, 2007 - 8:07 AM by  Darren
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For those who believe calling yourself "alternative" thus makes you part of the mainstream "Ooh-ooh-I-belong-to-something" movement.
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Darren
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    Re: The death of alternative

    Mon, March 19, 2007 - 10:58 AM
    Alternative doesn't exist because it IS mainstream. It's the same thing with underground film (which is what I do as a filmmaker). There is no "underground" anymore because technology and the mainstream have made everything "underground".
    When Quentin Tarantino releases "Grindhouse" into mainstream theatres (a genre of film which goes against mainstream media and stands AGAINST everything he's doing with this film) something is very, very wrong. That man needs to be assassinated.
    When a suburban rich kid shaves his head into a mohawk and wears a spiked wristband, throw up a few photos on the World Wide Web and calls himself "punk", there is something wrong.
    When a person takes a few digicam photos, runs them through photoshop and calls themselves a "professional model", there is something wrong.
    When a youtube "blogger" has the fucking gall to call themselves a "director" there is something wrong.
    The same applies to "alternative" people.
    It doesn't fucking exist anymore.
    Even jokingly, saying that "alternative now is going AGAINST ALTERNATIVE" is even a fucking joke.
    Anything original died the minute the internet came to fruition and that's a fucking fact.

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      Re: The death of alternative

      Fri, April 13, 2007 - 11:46 AM
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      Anything original died the minute the internet came to fruition and that's a fucking fact.
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      Nah. The only thing that's changed is availability. Same as it ever was, just ratcheted up a bit; same as it ever was.
    • Re: The death of alternative

      Sun, April 15, 2007 - 8:37 PM
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      Johnny, I do agree with you.

      Here's what I see.
      The culture (at large) is made up of mindless bored fools.
      (well, those people who don't have to struggle for their sustenance
      and have the luxury to be bored)

      And the mindless board fools are constantly looking for something
      that will take their minds off of being bored.
      And that's where society and advertisers and all that mucky-muck steps in.

      And for a while they will ridicule something because it is alternative,
      and that gives the bored fools something to snicker at.
      Then they start to imitate, co-opt and market that which they recently ridiculed.
      which gives the bored masses something to feel cool about.

      But, what we're talking about is nothing new.
      Different word for an old idea.
      "Alternative" is dead.
      It came to life and died after "Counter-Culture."
      Which held its own after "Bohemian."

      The concept we are really talking about is originality.
      And originality never dies.
      Originality has been under attack from the right wing
      ever since the first artist started beating a rhythm on a log
      and the first fool stepped up to call it "noise."

      If you are an artist, you have to put up with the ridicule
      and then the co-opting. (as well as trying to balance your own doubts)
      That comes with the territory.

      I'm unsure how you're suppose to balance it.
      But when they ridicule, you know you're onto something great.
      And by the time they start to market your originality
      You will have moved onto a new artistic challenge.

      In Alchemy, it is represented by the elemental symbol: Salt.
      The salt surrounds us, like the stars.
      The artist simply reaches out and and plucks the salt from the ether.

      We can look at the co-opting as a blessing,
      Otherwise artists might be tempted to rest on their laurels.
      And some do.

      I say, "Alternative is dead, long live Alternative!"

      .
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    Re: The death of alternative

    Fri, April 13, 2007 - 10:07 AM
    hhmmm, i understand where you're coming from, but then your continued membership in this tribe (or any tribe) seems incongruous with your post.

    ;-)
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      Re: The death of alternative

      Fri, April 13, 2007 - 10:30 AM
      "the I belong to something movement" ?

      I think everybody here belongs to something. We humans tend to be social creatures.
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    Re: The death of alternative

    Fri, April 13, 2007 - 10:39 AM
    Alternative is a state of mind, not a mainstream facet of society. It is also in the eye of the beholder.

    I mean say you grow up on a tiny island full of rich white snobs, with a heavy republican bent (yes such a place exists I grew up there) words like gay and black are seriously hush hush type words. So you grow up and choose to have a black gay partner, and still live on the island, you certainly are in that situation, alternative. I know it is a small, rather black and white example, it hardly touches on the depth that so many of us know in life, but it gives a good overview of being "alternative" in my eyes. Hell maybe you grew up in a hard core religious environment and you choose to not believe in god. In your life, in your world that maybe not only radically self expressive, but very alternative, including all the hardships that may come with expressing your own beliefs. So if I say I am alternative, well maybe I really really am, in my own world, and it is both not fair or even right for you to judge that, being as you have not had my experience.

    Just playin devils advocate here.....
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      Re: The death of alternative

      Fri, April 13, 2007 - 12:14 PM
      What does it mean to be "alternative" and why is that label important to some people?
      Is that which is not mainstream considered alternative? What happens now that alternative symbols such as tattoos or body piercing have become the norm?

      I consider myself alternative, but find it difficult to define. For instance I see no conflict in being alternative and still embracing modern medicine for treating disease. Does this make one less alternative?

      Just wondering.
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        Re: The death of alternative

        Fri, April 13, 2007 - 2:25 PM
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        What does it mean to be "alternative" and why is that label important to some people?
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        Deliberate attempts at differentiation usually begin with parental rebellion and some never quite get past it; for some that's a functional asset and for others a pathology.
    • Who Gets to Decide that "Alternative" is Dead?

      Fri, April 13, 2007 - 12:19 PM
      Still Waters:
      You are quite insightful, and your outlook is quite similar to mine. I think what you're saying is being "alternative" anything doesn't mean you are that way in every single aspect of your life or every single second of the day, but there are certain situations where you are considered alternative based on the fact that some choices that you've made place you in direct opposition to your current surroundings and the overarching thought or culture of where you live or work.

      I work in Miami, which has a strong Cuban and Conservative community, and the other non-Cuban residents tend to be mildly conservative and Christian. My liberal views, then, are quite alternative indeed! However, I probably wouldn't be that alternative were I to move to, say, the Bay Area. So, being alternative does not necessarily mean being ABSOLUTELY original (nothing purely is, come to think of it), but it means being original within given contexts.

      Thanks for that explication, SW. : )
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        "you are considered alternative based on the fact that some choices that you've made place you in direct opposition to your current surroundings and the overarching thought or culture of where you live or work."

        Quiet spot on to what I was thinking and in such concise words! amazing! I wish I could do that.
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          rehashing the hash, keeth wrote a few moons ago...

          Re: You Know You're Part of an Alternative, Gay Culture When...?

          Tue, January 30, 2007 - 8:51 AM

          get urself back to small towns in michigan, indiana, ohio, etc (midwest), and you (we? any of us?) will certainly be "alternative" to those natives.

          it is easy to lose sight of "alternative" (whatever the description) when we live it every day with ourselves and / or our friends. a large, all-encompassing word that can have infinite meanings, all depending on the people who say it and the people who hear it.

          and i wouldn't apply "alternative" simply to appearances, it can go waaaaaayyyyyyy deeper than that.

          but your mileage may vary

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